» My experience with mister the Bauer - what should not be done when tuning an ep3, absolutely not!!

hondaapi · 10.12.2012, 20:01

13.000 Euro for that kind of work?

Unbelievable. A few weeks ago I met a guy at the Lausitzring and he also had a EP3 turbosetup from the same manufacture as you. He told me to have paid 18.000Euro.
The car did not run well, the engine knocks, everything leaks and e few things are melted.
The quality was more that terrible and the guy was more than disappointed.
But he never saw his money back.

It is unbelievable how much money people pay for that kind of work.
It is also unbelievable how many people pay that amount of money.

I had a company two years ago and we build turbosetups for Hondas.
We never charged that amount of money and our quality differed A LOT from what I can see from him.

Here are some examples including a few pictures of the setups and an K20 engine in our engine assembly room from our old website:

(You have to click first picture to see further pictures)

http://mkr-turbo.de/projekte_ep3_robert_neu.html
http://mkr-turbo.de/projekte_ep3_andrej_neu.html
http://mkr-turbo.de/projekte_ep3_danny_neu.html
http://mkr-turbo.de/projekte_fn2_stefan_neu.html

We usally chargded 6850,- for an ENTIRE (K20) setup including clutch, 3" exhaust gas system, engine management and tuning.

For setups with build motor we charged a 10500,-

So I can not understand why people pay so much money for that. The material he seems to use is very cheap an low quality.

I can not understand the comunity and why people do not compare the quality from different shops before they let theire cars buildt.

olivenoire · Senior Anmeldedatum: 11.04.2012 Beiträge: 226

hondaapi
So I can not understand why people pay so much money for that. The material he seems to use is very cheap an low quality.

I can not understand the comunity and why people do not compare the quality from different shops before they let theire cars buildt.

Because I was not able to compare. :cry:

Unbelievable, right

I thought for the price he use to fit brand new items, perfectly tune kpro

In fact he fits old stuff (in my case hondata sensor, tial WG, oil cooler and hose, catalyzer)
He stole me my brake disks, my coil over plate and a special steering stuff

He charge me 1650€ for the quaife instead of an already really expensive 1200€ without explanation
8600€ for the stuff II
1100 for the exhaust including cat
PLus some minor charge

I dont know what kind of injectors or clutch were fitted

He does not provide any dynochart, so it can be explained because the kpro was not tune at all. VTC is switch of etc...

He drive approx 1500km with my car for his convenience
He destroyed my seat with grease and his dog eat my seat

I will share some picture

If you have a real base map for me to solve this and a tial, please contact me

Matz CTR · 13.12.2012, 00:23

Simply incredible. My manifold looked even worse. Race prooven, but only on the Bauer farm. I think for a normal thinking man it will never be understandable how he can still pretend everything is just perfect the way it is.

olivenoire · Senior Anmeldedatum: 11.04.2012 Beiträge: 226

Race proven. :hrhr:

The system was even not able to resist a trip of 500km.
The delivery of the car was done with a manifold already broken.

The man how make my new exhaust and manifold (he used to make exhaust for real race track car like vw fun cup or rally car) had never saw this of his life.
He took picture to share it!

My new manifold and down pipe if fully assembled in different parts (manifold, down pipe part 1, down pipe part 2 and waste gate port) made of inox. As a result it can be removed or mount easily. Nothing is weld.

I do not want to share it because I do not want Bauer to see a solution to his "unknow-how" :hrhr:

Next step is changing the waste gate, put a REAL solenoide, connected to teh Kpro and do a REAL map, with VTC, VTEC windows. Move the oil pressure gauge that mister Bauer put on the carpet.
My AFR is now mount. It will be entirely part of the tuning too.

When I have a look at this kind of pictures taken on his FB album I'm laughing loud.
How many sort of nuts?
Manifold 2 or 3 sorts / size
Turbo flange 2 sorts (1 nut and one 6 pan!)
Downpipe 2 sorts of nuts and 1 nut is missing
lol

Zachan · 13.12.2012, 08:49

Somehow this reminds me of a famous pop song^^:

I just met you, and this is crazy,
BHT Tuning, is crap work maybe.

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hondaapi Senior Anmeldedatum: 12.10.2008 Beiträge: 349 Wohnort: Schönebeck	10.12.2012, 20:01 zitieren 13.000 Euro for that kind of work? Unbelievable. A few weeks ago I met a guy at the Lausitzring and he also had a EP3 turbosetup from the same manufacture as you. He told me to have paid 18.000Euro. The car did not run well, the engine knocks, everything leaks and e few things are melted. The quality was more that terrible and the guy was more than disappointed. But he never saw his money back. It is unbelievable how much money people pay for that kind of work. It is also unbelievable how many people pay that amount of money. I had a company two years ago and we build turbosetups for Hondas. We never charged that amount of money and our quality differed A LOT from what I can see from him. Here are some examples including a few pictures of the setups and an K20 engine in our engine assembly room from our old website: (You have to click first picture to see further pictures) http://mkr-turbo.de/projekte_ep3_robert_neu.html http://mkr-turbo.de/projekte_ep3_andrej_neu.html http://mkr-turbo.de/projekte_ep3_danny_neu.html http://mkr-turbo.de/projekte_fn2_stefan_neu.html We usally chargded 6850,- for an ENTIRE (K20) setup including clutch, 3" exhaust gas system, engine management and tuning. For setups with build motor we charged a 10500,- So I can not understand why people pay so much money for that. The material he seems to use is very cheap an low quality. I can not understand the comunity and why people do not compare the quality from different shops before they let theire cars buildt. Gefällt mir Teilen twittern 1x bearbeitet
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olivenoire Senior Anmeldedatum: 11.04.2012 Beiträge: 226	10.12.2012, 20:22 zitieren hondaapi So I can not understand why people pay so much money for that. The material he seems to use is very cheap an low quality. I can not understand the comunity and why people do not compare the quality from different shops before they let theire cars buildt. Because I was not able to compare. Unbelievable, right I thought for the price he use to fit brand new items, perfectly tune kpro In fact he fits old stuff (in my case hondata sensor, tial WG, oil cooler and hose, catalyzer) He stole me my brake disks, my coil over plate and a special steering stuff He charge me 1650€ for the quaife instead of an already really expensive 1200€ without explanation 8600€ for the stuff II 1100 for the exhaust including cat PLus some minor charge I dont know what kind of injectors or clutch were fitted He does not provide any dynochart, so it can be explained because the kpro was not tune at all. VTC is switch of etc... He drive approx 1500km with my car for his convenience He destroyed my seat with grease and his dog eat my seat I will share some picture If you have a real base map for me to solve this and a tial, please contact me 3x bearbeitet Verfasst am: 10.12.2012, 20:45 zitieren SO just to remember what was done I mean idiotic welding, idiotic manifold, extremely dangerous oil feeding because the risk of fire in case of oil leakage I remember during 4 month this idiotic bauer says everything was fine I was stupid and do not understand what was done I have to bring myself the car by road because everything is fine and I dont know what I'm talking about So it time to share the nightmare. People will be able to make their own mind Verfasst am: 10.12.2012, 20:55 zitieren And now the rework Clearly it was IMPOSSIBLE to remove the manifold and the turbo. Everything is just fastly welded, screwed so hard or so light We just need to cut... Just to explain this fucking system was already broken when I received the car. But the MASTER BAIER done the thing right. Better than everybody does in the world. Does he really thing this or he his kidding? Dont know I really wonder why audi's and porsche's engineers don't go in the farm to learn good practices and state of art in manifold manufacturing Seriously, no other way to dismantle! Fortunately the (already used) wastegate was strong enough and hang the whole system Superb welding with aragonite Downpipe welded in 5 minutes on the turbo exhaust manifold Extravaganza manifold, modified because he decided to use a kkk instead of a standard garrett turbo To inform you, it is near IMPOSSIBLE to find spare parts of kkk turbo. In case of failure of whatever, you need to change the whole thing Unable to find a new exhaust manifold for the turbo 2x bearbeitet Verfasst am: 10.12.2012, 21:05 zitieren Then the waste gate It is said to be new. The spring is a very very very big one, nearly impossible to bend with end With the new exhaust the turbo goes more than 1,4 bar. The waste gate is ineffective. HAve a look, this idiotic is even not able to protect the diaphragm. I NEED A NEW ONE, ANY HELP HERE? This with what is called a solenoid. I remember this system ain't got any interaction with the kpro!! Resulting a lean combustion @ 0.9 bar!!!! No vtec windows and 6000rpm vtec engagment Verfasst am: 10.12.2012, 21:09 zitieren And now some picture of what was done. Just to inform. Object is to made things possible with light modifications as cheap as possible. I will not share all the picture, oil feeding, because I do not want mister Baier to learn from me. Sorry for people which will make tune their ep3 Just a picture of what should be done. With 2 possible AFr of o2 sondes etc Probably Baier nto tune the car with an AFR gauge... Verfasst am: 10.12.2012, 21:13 zitieren The special item, a sort of gift before Christmas The waste gate About oil feeding. Now I use braised hose to protect my car from the risk of fire
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Matz CTR General Name: Matthias Geschlecht: Fahrzeug: Honda Civic EP3 Turbo, Renault Megane RS Anmeldedatum: 03.12.2006 Beiträge: 3466 Wohnort: NRW	13.12.2012, 00:23 zitieren Simply incredible. My manifold looked even worse. Race prooven, but only on the Bauer farm. I think for a normal thinking man it will never be understandable how he can still pretend everything is just perfect the way it is.
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olivenoire Senior Anmeldedatum: 11.04.2012 Beiträge: 226	13.12.2012, 08:39 zitieren Race proven. The system was even not able to resist a trip of 500km. The delivery of the car was done with a manifold already broken. The man how make my new exhaust and manifold (he used to make exhaust for real race track car like vw fun cup or rally car) had never saw this of his life. He took picture to share it! My new manifold and down pipe if fully assembled in different parts (manifold, down pipe part 1, down pipe part 2 and waste gate port) made of inox. As a result it can be removed or mount easily. Nothing is weld. I do not want to share it because I do not want Bauer to see a solution to his "unknow-how" Next step is changing the waste gate, put a REAL solenoide, connected to teh Kpro and do a REAL map, with VTC, VTEC windows. Move the oil pressure gauge that mister Bauer put on the carpet. My AFR is now mount. It will be entirely part of the tuning too. When I have a look at this kind of pictures taken on his FB album I'm laughing loud. How many sort of nuts? Manifold 2 or 3 sorts / size Turbo flange 2 sorts (1 nut and one 6 pan!) Downpipe 2 sorts of nuts and 1 nut is missing 1x bearbeitet
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Zachan Premium-Member Name: Lars Geschlecht: Fahrzeug: EH3 Anmeldedatum: 06.07.2006 Beiträge: 8699 Wohnort: Auetal	13.12.2012, 08:49 zitieren Somehow this reminds me of a famous pop song^^: I just met you, and this is crazy, BHT Tuning, is crap work maybe.
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